Are we Predestined by God to Eternal Life or Damnation before we are born?

Predestined and Election Doctrine: (A Refreshing Understanding)

If you’ve been following my posts, you’ll know that I first read the Bible in 2019 from cover to cover and have been studying it since then (for 4 years now). I continue learning from scripture, I’m not an expert, and what I learned was from reading scripture first, then seeking other’s explanations of aspects that weren’t immediately clear to me. I am seeking truth. I stopped trusting “religious” doctrines and churches after I read the bible and discovered contradictions to what I learned. I wanted to know: what does the Bible tell us?

It was just this past year in a Bible Study when this subject came up: Predestination and Election. When I heard the explanation, my initial reaction was: this doesn’t sound right or seem to reflect the God whom I came to know through scripture! The explanation was based on Calvinism, which states:

The principle, in Calvin’s words, is that “All are not created on equal terms, but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death.”

John Calvin

The reaction from the Bible Study group was: this is in the bible, you can’t force what’s in the bible to conform to your beliefs! I agree with that statement, but wondered, Why did I not comprehend this while reading scripture? So I went back to read what Paul wrote and see that scripture says what it does. But still, it didn’t seem consistent with what I learned about God’s character. A member of the group shared a paper with me supporting this theory with scripture, but of course, I had to do my own research.

So I researched this topic and found (thankfully) there are various viewpoints regarding this subject, not solely the explanation I heard. This subject is one of those debated doctrines, which made me realize, people clearly don’t understand it, if this remains debated after hundreds of years. Most people initially have a negative reaction to it, but then they say God is sovereign and we don’t understand everything. Some will question, then why share the gospel, if God has predestined? The response is often: because the Bible told us to! All valid points, but to me, this is a horrible doctrine, contradicts scripture and does not the character of the God I’ve read about: God is love (1 John 4:8), He is patient, wants everyone to come to repentance and live in His future Kingdom. (2 Peter 3:9) God does not show favoritism. (Romans 2:11) God is just (2 Thessalonians1:6) and God is merciful. (Deuteronomy 4 and Daniel 9) None of these attributes align with John Calvin’s doctrine in my opinion, so there must be a viewpoint that doesn’t contradict God’s character. Additionally, this theory was arrived from reading Paul’s letters, but I know that scripture often has multiple “witnesses” attesting to truth. Clarification is found in scripture.

I also realized that many PhDs arrive at this theory because that is what they were taught in the seminary. But the fact is there are different beliefs, however, it seems the most often taught one appears to be based on the doctrine of John Calvin. The fact that there is debate on this topic is good because it shows people are using critical thinking, questioning the understanding of a doctrine that is more of a theory or interpretation rather than absolute truth. Humans are fallible; we don’t get everything right and it takes humility to accept this. It’s very likely that what I understand today (especially end times scripture) may change based on new information or revelation found in scripture later. In fact, people were so set in their preconceived ideas of who the Messiah would be that many missed that Jesus/Yeshua was/is the Messiah! I have a feeling that what we believe about end times events will also be that way; if it doesn’t happen the way our thoughts think it might, we’ll see it clearly in hindsight.

Getting back to other opinions on this topic, this is what I found in scripture after researching the topic:

Clarification of Predestined and Election (My notes based on scripture):

Foreknow/Foreknew:  defined:  be aware of (an event) before it happens. 

For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. Romans 9:29 God foreknew ALL/EVERYONE– therefore God predestined ALL OF US TO CONFORM  TO THE IMAGE OF HIS SON- but not all mankind ACCEPTS this conformation!

And Jesus said: And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” John 12:32

And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. Romans 8:30God does the work after someone accepts His calling, sanctification is by God, not us.

He predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— Ephesians 1:5 God is adopting us (all who accept Jesus as Messiah)

In him (Jesus) we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, Ephesians 1:11– God’s will is for ALL to accept.  First it was offered to the Jews, but then it was offered to the Gentiles- yes, God first chose the Jews, his chosen ones, but then expanded it to ALL. Again God does the work to conform people who accept Him – through the work of the Holy Spirit.

PREDESTINED

Predestined:  God uses certain people for special purposes, not everyone is used for special purposes, some are for common purposes- “predestined” isn’t about salvation:

Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use? Romans 9:21

For God does not show favoritism. Romans 2:11Opinion: to predestine one for salvation and one for destruction is contrary to what is stated here, we need to understand scripture.  Scripture interprets scripture but does not contradict, if it contradicts, it is something we haven’t comprehended yet.

Special purpose: we see this stated in Jeremiah 1:5: “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

Special purpose:  The LORD said to her, “Two nations are in your womb, and two peoples from within you will be separated; one people will be stronger than the other, and the older will serve the younger.” Genesis 25:23

Special purpose: You will become pregnant and have a son whose head is never to be touched by a razor because the boy is to be a Nazirite, dedicated to God from the womb. He will take the lead in delivering Israel from the hands of the Philistines.” Judges 13:5

Special purpose:  (John the Baptist) Even Elizabeth your relative is going to have a child in her old age, and she who was said to be unable to conceive is in her sixth month. Luke 1:36

Special purpose:  But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel. Acts 9:15

Special purpose:  “Then he said: ‘The God of our ancestors has chosen you (referring to Paul/Saul) to know his will and to see the Righteous One and to hear words from his mouth. Acts 22:14

Special purpose:  Ezekiel:  And he said to me, “Son of man, eat what is before you, eat this scroll; then go and speak to the people of Israel.” Ezekiel 3:1 (Ezekiel’s vision’s purpose was to speak to ISRAEL)

Special purpose:  John: I took the little scroll from the angel’s hand and ate it. It tasted as sweet as honey in my mouth, but when I had eaten it, my stomach turned sour.Then I was told, “You must prophesy again about many peoples, nations, languages and kings.” Rev 10:10-11 (John’s vision’s purpose was for Gentiles or many peoples, nations, etc)

Contrary to special purposes, God also uses people to accomplish His will.  They have free will but He uses their free will and evil choices to accomplish His sovereign will. What is God’s will? 

“For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.” John 6:40 (notice Jesus doesn’t say “for the predestined”- he says for “everyone”!)

“Hardened Heart” – search “hardened” in an electronic bible, and you will see that there are times when God hardens someone’s heart, but notice this is AFTER the person has repeatedly “hardened their own heart”- as I understand, we have multiple opportunities, but at some point God may say “enough” and then harden a person’s heart. 

How is a heart “hardened” what does that mean? We find this in scripture:

But encourage one another daily, as long as it is called “Today,” so that none of you may be hardened by sin’s deceitfulness. Hebrews 3:13 –It is the deceitfulness of sin that causes a person’s heart to be hardened.

Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. Romans 1:28 (This appears to be consistent with other scripture, God give opportunities for repentance, reconciliation, belief but some people reject this and sometimes God turns them over to their sin- this is God’s decision, we don’t know when or if our “time is up” either while living or when our death occurs.)

ELECT- salvation isn’t imminent!

Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they too may obtain the salvation that is in Christ Jesus, with eternal glory. 1Peter 1:1

An additional resource and explanation is found in this video by Dr. Doug Hamp:

And here is the article in written form: www.douglashamp.com

Commonwealth of Israel Theology Summary by Dr. Doug Hamp is referenced in his video above and helpful in comprehending scripture about “the elect” which describes Israel and those grafted into Israel after becoming “born again”- born in the spirit as Jesus told Nicodemus in John Chapter 3; once this is “revealed” in scripture, it is clear regarding “the elect.”

This is important because understanding this truly gives us “hope” for all mankind having the opportunity to be in God’s kingdom because of Jesus’ death and resurrection. Comprehending this reflects the loving, merciful and just God we find throughout scripture. God also said: if you seek Him; He will be found. (Scriptural References).

Growing Our Faith

Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ.

Romans 10:17

I found this statement to be true -personally. I knew of God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit since I was a child, emphasizing the word knew “of” because I didn’t “personally know God”- just was taught about Him, but that all changed as I studied the Bible. No longer was God some mysterious being, Jesus some historical figure of the past or the Holy Spirit (a “mystery” to me) but I started to understand God’s character, thoughts (in more detail than “love your neighbor”), things He hates, what He loves, and what His will is for all of us: to be with Him in eternity. Thankfully, He went through extraordinary means for us (meaning Jesus on the cross) and for me personally that my “eyes finally opened” as a result of studing scripture, I finally know God personally. It didn’t happen from anyone “teaching” me anything, it happened when I started seeking to know Him to understand what’s in the Bible and studying scripture. There are several true statements about seeking too, some are:

Seek the LORD while he may be found; call on him while he is near.

Isaiah 55:6

But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.

Matthew 6:33 (Jesus said this)

“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you.

Matthew 7:7 (Jesus said this)

My way of thinking drastically changed (in a positive way) as I studied and I realized “truths” about many questions I had. My faith grew and I believed deeper. I have a solid faith now. Before I had some questions, but those were answered by studying scripture. Due to the impact scripture had on me, I began to share what I was learning on this website, on Instagram, and in a podcast.

Spotify Podcast Link

I’m currently working on a Bible Study Podcast covering the Book of John, reading and discussing a chapter per day (when I can). I chose this one because John was one of the first disciples and he expressed in his writings that he thought he was closest to Jesus (like a best friend), so I’m interested in his insight. He was also the one who wrote the book of Revelation, which I’ve learned so much from; he expands on what the prophets of Israel: Daniel, Zechariah and Ezekiel taught. If you want to grow your faith, try listening to this podcast and see if studying scripture affects you the way it did me?

Video Recommendation

If you are a Christian, especially if you study scripture, you will be blown away by the information in this video, some of it I’ve noticed as I’ve studied scripture over the past 4 years, but there is so much more symbolic and metaphoric meaning in scripture that I didn’t even notice, but see it now after it’s pointed out. This is not a video that scares, it is beautiful and full of the hope that Christians have for our future. You will enjoy this!

Despite the title of the video “Messiah 2030“, the creator of the video is not saying this “theory” is absolute which I find being humble because none of us can say with certainty, but after you hear the scripture, notice the symbols, prophecies, patterns and traditions that point to this date, especially as I said if you are familiar with scripture, it is hard not to think this could be a strong possibility. We will ultimately know this only in hindsight.

The main reason for sharing this is for all of us to ask these questions: What if it’s true? Am I prepared to meet Jesus? Have I been “born again” (born of the water which is repentant and born of the spirit which is received the spirit from God)? Jesus said we cannot enter the kingdom of God unless we are “born again.” Read John Chapter 3 for more understanding of this. If it is this soon, or sooner, in fact we don’t know if we will personally be living tonight/tomorrow if some freak situation happens – so the time to prepare is now, not later. Turn away from “sinful” things and turn to God, live a changed godly life with the help of the Holy Spirit (this is called Repentance) and Believe what Jesus taught. Jesus took care of the rest and made it possible for us to be saved. If you seek him you will find him; he will reveal himself to you.

Here’s the video:

Men of Strength Found in the Bible

I believe God communicates in interesting ways, through scripture and through people. On November 4th I had a conversation with someone about strength and conditioning, then later that evening I decided to watch a Bible Study on YouTube (click here to watch the full message). While there are numerous points to this message, what stood out to me was the comparison between Saul and David and how this comparison is relevant to our lives as Christians. The point was: these two men had the same resources, yet their outcomes were very different. As Christians, we can appear to be “Christians” but our outcomes can be very different if we are only Christians in appearance, but not in action: if we are not true followers of what Jesus taught. The outcomes of Saul and David were very different. Saul started out with everything but ended up in fear, disparity, and a tragic death. David in contrast, although he wasn’t perfect, he was part of the legacy of Jesus, Jesus’ ancestor and achieved many things. This is an insightful, thought provoking message given by Pastor Daniel Batarseh in the YouTube video.

On November 6th, I prayed asking for a meaningful message from God before I opened the Bible and ironically when I opened the study Bible, the page (photo for this post) had a sidebar commentary about David and Saul. So that prompted me to make a comparison of them and other notable men found in the Bible: their strength, their weakness, and lessons learned through their life stories. My resources were YouVersion Bible App and Got Questions Organization. I hope you find this “study/comparison” insightful and beneficial to your personal faith journey.

Building Mental Strength

Recently during an evening walk, I started thinking about mental strength, discipline, endurance and the reward. Our mind can be the first to give up when our bodies could endure more, therefore having mental control and discipline is what can turn average people into athletes. And we get a reward for the mental strength and discipline by design: it’s the release of endorphins – “those happiness hormones”.

We seek that reward in life, so while I’m on that subject, I’ll share Healthline’s suggestion of 8 natural ways of obtaining endorphins:

  1. Exercise
  2. Laugh
  3. Listen to Music
  4. Get Acupuncture
  5. Eat Dark Chocolate
  6. Have Sex
  7. Dance
  8. Meditate

Mental Strength certainly helps in athletic ability, but it also helps us in every day life situations. A common description for Mental Strength is resilience. When a person has mental strength, they are resilient. Becoming a resilient person is beneficial for all of us. Mental Strength or Mental Toughness is described as:

“The process of adapting well in the face of adversity, trauma, tragedy, threats or even significant sources of stress.”

The American Psychological Association (2014)

Searching for “how to build mental strength” the results identified many articles and books covering this topic, however the most complete book addressing this was not listed as a reference book. Many people probably wouldn’t even think of reading this book to develop mental strength, yet it has the best examples of mental strength within it and words of wisdom making it an excellent reference book on mental strength. This book is the Bible. After studying the Bible, and hearing various sermons or bible studies from Pastors of churches, I realized how so many of the common topics or reasons people go to therapists are addressed in and solved by the Bible! If the Bible was referenced, we would know the answers, the solutions to so many problems. To illustrate this point, the list below was obtained from various articles about “how to build mental strength” and I added a few links to the Bible’s verses, chapters or books that illustrate and direct people towards these habits. There are many more than what I’ve referenced- they can be found throughout the Bible.

Mental Strength can be obtained by:

In summary, the Bible has excellent examples of mental strength throughout. Paul who wrote the letters to the Thessalonians, Ephesians, Corinthians, Philippians, Colossians and Romans in the Bible exhibits this mental strength in many of his letters and during the time he was imprisoned. Jesus exhibits this in his avoidance of temptation (Mark 1:13) and when Jesus followed through with God’s will: (Luke 22:42). Most of Jesus’ disciples were executed but had such great mental strength that even the threat of death did not keep them from telling people about eternal life. So if you want to improve your mental strength, read the Bible, you will be amazed at how it will change your life. This isn’t “just a book”, this is the “living word” of God. (2 Timothy 3:16)

The Law of Death, but Jesus Saved Us.

I didn’t publish this on Monday 2/21/22 because I couldn’t decide on a Title and then I reconsidered and thought, maybe this was just something God wanted to say to me, not something to write about? But this morning 2/23/22, the subject showed up in my morning bible read and since I drafted all this Monday (and it’s long) I decided to publish today (Wednesday). This verse stood out to me:

“Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death.” Romans 8:1

and this one:

We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin” Romans 7:14

(Makes sense why this is not easy to understand!) You may be interested in reading Romans 6, Romans 7 and Romans 8 further. The following is what I originally drafted a couple days ago:

I had another one of those moments where I woke up in the middle of the night (2/20/22) having more clarity about a biblical concept I’ve continually struggled with: sacrifices and death. It’s been hard for me to understand why God allowed and required both (in the Old Testament) and sometimes even assembled people to kill others, when I know God is love. A couple years ago I wrote about “Sacrifice” and looking back on that article, I didn’t fully understood, I had part of the concept, but not all of it. Last night, more became very clear and it literally woke me up. I wrote down everything that came into my thoughts so I wouldn’t forget when morning came. (The evening before this thought, I had a conversation with someone and told them I still struggled with how it was “fair” to allow innocent animals to be killed as a substitute for people’s sins.) I guess I received the answer last night? This is how the thoughts came to me:

God created Life.

God created the Laws.

One of the Laws was explained by Paul: “the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” The payment or penalty in (God’s) court of Law for sin is death. This is the way for justice to prevail. God’s future kingdom will not have sin present in it. Sin entered the earth/world through Satan. Sin is the separation from God. Satan separated himself from God. Jesus told us that he is the vine and we are the branches, if a branch is disconnected from the vine it shrivels up and is burned. (John 15)

Satan quoted scripture in the Bible; he is familiar with it and uses it in a deceptive, manipulative way. He knows his future, he will be cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:10), his time to affect those on earth is limited by God and he is aware. I think that is why corruption on earth appears to get worse as time goes on- evil now has a sense of urgency to complete it’s goal: to murder.

Sin can’t be in the presence of holiness or death will occur. (Exodus 19:12)

So because of the Law, death must occur for the sin. (Enforcing this law is also distorted scripture by Satan because God is the only one with the authority to judge if someone has sinned; people are not. Jesus made this apparent when he said the one without sin is the only one who could stone the woman caught in adultery. John 8 But if people judge others they will be judged by God in the same way they judged others.) Luke 6:37 Jesus will be the one to judge when Jesus returns.

The Law of death allowed a substitute death, to pay the penalty/wages for sin. Remember death came into the world as a result of Satan’s presence. God doesn’t want the sacrifices (Psalm 50) (Isaiah 1:11) God desires mercy not sacrifice. (Matthew 9:13) (Proverbs 21:3) (1 Samuel 15:22)

The Law of God does not change, unlike man made laws. Matthew 5:17 Therefore the Law requiring death as the penalty for sin will remain- unchanged.

Because of sin, death was in the world; the world became cursed (Genesis 3:17) when sin entered. Satan holds the power of death. (Hebrews 2:14-15) Cain was the first to make an animal offering (killing an animal) which God was not pleased with; Cain also was the first to kill someone, when he killed his brother Abel. (Genesis 4)

Jesus came into the world to become the final sacrifice and make the payment, pay the penalty for mankind’s sin. (Hebrews 2:17) He was the only one who could do that because he was sinless. (Revelation 5)

The punishment by Law for all of us would have been death if Jesus didn’t come. That’s what it means when we hear Jesus came to save us. This is literal, Jesus came to save us from death because every sin is punishable by death. There is no tolerance of any sin. The original sacrifices were not of equal value, so that is why the kept recurring. No sacrifices could save. (Hebrews 10) No one was able to remain sinless because Satan corrupted all. Jesus was obedient and followed the Law. Jesus was able to fulfill the Law. The Law is God’s will. “Not by my will, but Yours” Jesus prayed. (Luke 22:42-43) Jesus paid our debt.

God is being gracious to us in allowing so many years to pass before judgement occurs. (2 Peter 3:9) He wants all his children but there will eventually be a time, where the time runs out and it’s time to face Judgement. It is our decision. We’d have to be ignorant to choose “death.” That’s what Jesus meant when he said: “I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father, except through me.” (John 14:6). “Through me” means Jesus was the final sacrifice making it possible for us to be in eternity. Mankind’s works or effort to be good was not successful throughout history. It was failure. We are not capable as God is. We need God’s spirit as humans. Romans 8:11 God’s spirit can’t dwell in someone sinful because sin separates from God. When we willingly give our life to Jesus, we are telling him: I give up. I can’t do it. I need you. When God hears this, he has mercy because He loves us and claims us as his children. Until we make that clear to God, we are not God’s children; we remain children of the devil; slaves to Satan/sin. When we become God’s children (Romans 8:14) we understand what is happening. God wants more people in eternity. He is patient, but there is a cut off point. We are in a race, a race against time.

Jesus is the gate-keeper. (John 10:7)

In some ways it may be easier for the non-religious to be saved than the religious because of all the tradition: the repetition of words can sometimes become meaningless if the words are not put into action. (James 2) If we are not mindful, the words can become so repetitious that they loose the meaning to us.

Our time is limited, we need to take action. God loves us, but some won’t love God back. Just like personal relationships: sometimes we love people who don’t love us back. God knows what that’s like, He experiences it also. Not everyone who is loved, will love back and we just have to let go and let people make their own decisions, that’s what God does.

The fear of death is from the devil/Satan. (Hebrews 2:15) Death is not forever, that’s a lie, it’s not the end. Satan is a liar. (John 8:44) And this is one of the biggest lies. People will be immortal, but not all will reside with God in eternity. There is a physical death (the first one), but it is not permanent, it is only temporary until Judgement Day. The second death is the separation from God/being cast into the “lake of fire” for eternity. That is what should be feared. (Luke 12:5) Satan influences people to live for the moment in this world- not for eternity. But which is longer? Which is more important? The moment or eternity? Our death on earth should not be feared. Proceeding without God should be feared.